Train passenger trapped after 'assaulting guard' to retrieve phone (From Kingston Guardian)

I was on the train and didnt see him punch the guard, not sure that this is 100% true!

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Sharky J wrote:
I was on the train and didnt see him punch the guard, not sure that this is 100% true!

I was also on the train - in the carriage next to where this happened. The guy in question had been warned by the driver not to retrieve his phone and seemed to accept this. When the train pulled away there was some shouting and a bump- presumably this fella trying to get at the guard and falling. The guard sounded very distressed.

We know that this station is well covred by CCTV im sure it will show what happened..

I was on the train behind the one at New Malden... it was an absolute nightmare! I hope this guy gets arrested for assaulting a member of SW Trains...! Can I just add that alot of credit to the team at SW Trains who were keeping the passengers all well informed with what was going on? :-)

Sorry - I was on the train that was affected by this, and can anyone actually confirm that a "guard was assaulted", or someone was punched?

Not really fair if we're making stuff up now, is it.

From what I saw, either a man or a lady dropped a phone/small bag whilst getting on/off the train, and a man tried to retrieve it. After a few minutes delay, the driver made a stern announcement stating that the guy should get away from underneath the train, as not only is it a bad idea anyway, but there are live rails.

30 seconds later, the train starts moving, literally a second after that, the train stops suddenly.

What I can't work out is, if the driver/station staff knew a man was dicking about underneath/near the train, why did he start the train in the first place? Surely everyone had to be 100% clear that the guy was a safe distance away from the train?

And, also - who stopped the train? Was it the driver? If so, why did he start it in the first place if he had clear site? Or, was it a passenger?

Despite how well the emergency services etc dealt with this, I'm a little disturbed by the fact the train was started in the first place when the guy clearly wasn't a safe distance.

ToriPunk1987 wrote:
I was on the train behind the one at New Malden... it was an absolute nightmare! I hope this guy gets arrested for assaulting a member of SW Trains...! Can I just add that alot of credit to the team at SW Trains who were keeping the passengers all well informed with what was going on? :-)

I agree. There should be some type of charge for recklessly getting onto the track to retrive a mobile phone, as well as one if a guard was assaulted.

I find it truly frightening that someone is so attached to their mobile phone that they would risk their life and delay thousands of other people just to get it back.

SamJohnson wrote:
Sorry - I was on the train that was affected by this, and can anyone actually confirm that a "guard was assaulted", or someone was punched?

Not really fair if we're making stuff up now, is it.

From what I saw, either a man or a lady dropped a phone/small bag whilst getting on/off the train, and a man tried to retrieve it. After a few minutes delay, the driver made a stern announcement stating that the guy should get away from underneath the train, as not only is it a bad idea anyway, but there are live rails.

30 seconds later, the train starts moving, literally a second after that, the train stops suddenly.

What I can't work out is, if the driver/station staff knew a man was dicking about underneath/near the train, why did he start the train in the first place? Surely everyone had to be 100% clear that the guy was a safe distance away from the train?

And, also - who stopped the train? Was it the driver? If so, why did he start it in the first place if he had clear site? Or, was it a passenger?

Despite how well the emergency services etc dealt with this, I'm a little disturbed by the fact the train was started in the first place when the guy clearly wasn't a safe distance.

I totally agree with Sam , I was on the same carriage that the guy attended to board and he even asked the guard for a pole or something to retrieve his belongings.
I think its rubbish that they saying that the passenger attacked the guard as he had no reason to and I saw the passenger before it happened and he didnt look angry after he dropped his bag or phone.

I think SW Trains should look into this incident as I suspect negligence as i doubt the passenger was so dumb to risk his life over a material item.

I even contacted SW Trains to give a statement and well I havent heard back from them!

Sharky J wrote:

SamJohnson wrote:
Sorry - I was on the train that was affected by this, and can anyone actually confirm that a "guard was assaulted", or someone was punched?

Not really fair if we're making stuff up now, is it.

From what I saw, either a man or a lady dropped a phone/small bag whilst getting on/off the train, and a man tried to retrieve it. After a few minutes delay, the driver made a stern announcement stating that the guy should get away from underneath the train, as not only is it a bad idea anyway, but there are live rails.

30 seconds later, the train starts moving, literally a second after that, the train stops suddenly.

What I can't work out is, if the driver/station staff knew a man was dicking about underneath/near the train, why did he start the train in the first place? Surely everyone had to be 100% clear that the guy was a safe distance away from the train?

And, also - who stopped the train? Was it the driver? If so, why did he start it in the first place if he had clear site? Or, was it a passenger?

Despite how well the emergency services etc dealt with this, I'm a little disturbed by the fact the train was started in the first place when the guy clearly wasn't a safe distance.

I totally agree with Sam , I was on the same carriage that the guy attended to board and he even asked the guard for a pole or something to retrieve his belongings.
I think its rubbish that they saying that the passenger attacked the guard as he had no reason to and I saw the passenger before it happened and he didnt look angry after he dropped his bag or phone.

I think SW Trains should look into this incident as I suspect negligence as i doubt the passenger was so dumb to risk his life over a material item.

I even contacted SW Trains to give a statement and well I havent heard back from them!

Sharky J - thanks, nice to read a bit of sense.

Whilst I think the guy was silly for trying to retrieve his item (which to my eye looked more like a make-up sized bag) regardless of whether there was a train at the platform or not, the train was stationary, and a member of staff was next to him.

I just cannot fathom why, if the station staff and the driver were aware of his presence, and given the driver or someone made an announcement to the effect of "what the f*ck are you doing!?", why was the train started? And, who stopped it?

Very confusing. I work 30secs from the station, so I'm going to head over there at some point and politely ask for whatever information they're allowed to give.

Sharky J wrote: "I work 30secs from the station, so I'm going to head over there at some point and politely ask for whatever information they're allowed to give".>>> If they've got any sense they'll tell you nothing. If they do, don't you go quoting online anything that was told to you by any staff, unless you want them disciplined and possibly sacked.
Just let SWT and the police deal with it.

Hi BookingOffice...

Chill out. I wasn't looking to get anyone sacked or disciplined, nor am I going to quote anyone online. I don't work for TMZ.

I simply just wanted to find out information in regards to why the train was started when everyone knew that there was someone messing about near or underneath the train.

I've already stated I think the man was foolish for trying to retrieve his item at all, let alone whilst the train was there, but it's not unfair to question that events that surrounded why the train moved, against all logic.

Maybe I could just make **** up... OMGZ, there was a man with a gun and he was shooting it and there was a fight and then the train was on fire and then someone was pushed!1!!!!111oneon
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I'm sure you'll find out what happened soon enough. But if you've anything to add to the incident as a witness...{that isn't made up}...inform the BT Police.

It's not about finding out what happened in terms of gossip/being in the know...

I'm disturbed by the events surrounding what eventually occurred.

Then direct your concern to the BTP or SWT. Gossip is all you will here from any staff who were not involved.

SamJohnson wrote:
Sorry - I was on the train that was affected by this, and can anyone actually confirm that a "guard was assaulted", or someone was punched?

Not really fair if we're making stuff up now, is it.

From what I saw, either a man or a lady dropped a phone/small bag whilst getting on/off the train, and a man tried to retrieve it. After a few minutes delay, the driver made a stern announcement stating that the guy should get away from underneath the train, as not only is it a bad idea anyway, but there are live rails.

30 seconds later, the train starts moving, literally a second after that, the train stops suddenly.

What I can't work out is, if the driver/station staff knew a man was dicking about underneath/near the train, why did he start the train in the first place? Surely everyone had to be 100% clear that the guy was a safe distance away from the train?

And, also - who stopped the train? Was it the driver? If so, why did he start it in the first place if he had clear site? Or, was it a passenger?

Despite how well the emergency services etc dealt with this, I'm a little disturbed by the fact the train was started in the first place when the guy clearly wasn't a safe distance.

Well it makes better news by saying that a guard was assaulted.... The truth will come out and I reckon its foul play or negligence by SWT as I doubt he was dumb enough to risk his life over a phone or bag! Plus the guard looked like he saw a ghost when all of this happened so will be interesting to see what the CCTV footage shows... I think all the police, medical services and rescue teams deserve a pat on the back for their work yesterday and not to forget SWT as they got things up and running quicker than anticipated and they saved a life!

How can you say you "reckon it's foul play or negligence by SWT as I doubt he was dumb enough to risk his life over a phone or bag!".

I was there. I actually saw the chap laying down on the platform side and reaching beneath the train. Also, even if I didn't see it, when the driver announced "can you please get away from underneath the train, as it's a silly idea, and there are live electric rails beneath" (not a direct quote, but an approximation) that was indication enough.

Unless you actually saw the incident, it's probably better to refrain from needless speculation, as it causes more trouble.

Freedom of speech and just voicing my opinion as we are all entitled to an opinion and the fact that everyone is saying that he tried to attack the guard just seems malicious without any proof or evidence....Well did the train pull off while he was underneath, did the guard not double check that everything was clear before instructing the driver to go?? Those are all valid questions.

I guess you right about the speculation, so its best left to the professionals and I wish the gentlemen a speedy recovery!

Its been a busy couple weeks for New Malden, its not everyday a helicopter lands in the Waitrose parking lot.

Hopefully the one thing we've heard that is confirmed is that the chap is unharmed and ok.

Also, just to say - the speed at which the emergency services arrived was immense. The train had only been halted for what seemed like 30secs, and even before we knew that something serious had potentially happened, we heard a couple of sirens which made us all think "uh oh".

SamJohnson wrote:
Hopefully the one thing we've heard that is confirmed is that the chap is unharmed and ok. Also, just to say - the speed at which the emergency services arrived was immense. The train had only been halted for what seemed like 30secs, and even before we knew that something serious had potentially happened, we heard a couple of sirens which made us all think "uh oh".

Yes, the main thing is that no one was hurt.

It is good to hear that the emergency services were swift in getting this sorted out.

I was on a train just outside Wimbledon last year and it was announced that the power to the lines had to be turned off as someone had fallen on the line at the station.

On that ocassion, it was about 45 minutes before we heard any sirens and well over an hour before the power could be restored.

Sharky J wrote:
I was on the train and didnt see him punch the guard, not sure that this is 100% true!

Where has anyone said he punched the guard? It says "tried to assault guard through window" - TRIED!

Once again Joe Public knows best and straight away tries to blame the train staff. There are near misses EVERY DAY with people doing stupid things on or near platforms, be it trying to retrieve things or just in la la land.

If he tried to assault the guard through a window i am assuming it was through an intermediate cab window once the guard had given the driver the signal to go. The guard moved, saw the guy fall and put the train in to emergency from where he was, stopping the train immediately. Just because you saw the bloke for a few seconds and he seemed ok, people can change in seconds.

It's people like you lot that travel on trains now and then or even every day, that think you know the job of traincrew sooooooo well and how it should be done, that are the worst type of traveller. Newsflash - YOU HAVE NO IDEA! How about i come in your office and tell you you are doing everything wrong? See how you like it!

Regardless of whose fault it was, one has to question the IQ of an individual who attempts to retrieve a dropped item from the tracks while the train is still in the station....what's more, his stupidity caused me, and thousands of other people, to be massively inconvenienced! Is it too much to ask that people THINK?!!!

Sharky J wrote:
Freedom of speech and just voicing my opinion as we are all entitled to an opinion and the fact that everyone is saying that he tried to attack the guard just seems malicious without any proof or evidence....Well did the train pull off while he was underneath, did the guard not double check that everything was clear before instructing the driver to go?? Those are all valid questions.

I guess you right about the speculation, so its best left to the professionals and I wish the gentlemen a speedy recovery!

Of course the train didnt pull off while he was underneath. When the driver made the announcement I poked my head around the side of the train door from inside. The guy was getting up off the floor having been lying on the platform trying to reach down to retreieve whatever it was he'd lost.

He then shouted to the guard and/or driver that he didnt want it anymore and stepped back from the train...the doors then closed and the train began to pull away.

Almost immediately we began to hear this chap shouting and chanting, presumably while he was charging at the train.

Well, then how the hell did he end up underneath the train then!? If he slipped and fell whilst the train was stationary, why didn't he just climb back out?

All seems a bit off...